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HC-DX 04 Index [HCDX]: Quick QSL... From: "ANKER PETERSEN" Subject: Sv: [HCDX]: Quick QSL... Date sent: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:19:33 +0200 Congratulations, Paul. I think this is a World Record ! 40 minutes ! Best 73, Anker ----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: Paul Ormandy Sendt: 25. april 2000 00:05 Emne: [HCDX]: Quick QSL... Hi all, I received my quickest QSL ever yesterday... I logged R Buen Aire, Argentina 1630kHz on Saturday at 0510z, sent the report by e-mail at 2351z and received the reply at 0031z! No v/s... jus a short confirmation message (in block letters) at the top of my original report, from the management of 'Red 92'... hopefully something will turn up in the post! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date sent: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:19:36 +1000 From: Richard Jary Subject: Re: Sv: [HCDX]: Quick QSL... I beat that a few weeks back - 20 minutes for the new African World Beacon via Rampisham. But we'll let Paul claim his as the MW record :-) Richard ANKER PETERSEN wrote: Congratulations, Paul. I think this is a World Record ! 40 minutes !Best 73, Anker ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:36:36 +1200 From: Paul Aronsen Subject: Re: Sv: [HCDX]: Quick QSL... Don't be so sure chaps as to who has had the fastest QSL,as Many years ago there was a Pirate radio station broadcasting music from just outside the City of Invercargill (New Zealand) on the Medium wave band, and as the local Radio Inspector was driving out to close the station down,he had the late Arthur Cushen in his car with him,Arthur was busy logging the station as they travelled.The Radio Inspector entered the house where the Pirate was broadcasting from and immediatley pulled the plugs as Arthur handed the Announcer the DX report who QSLed it on the spot by signing the report !! What could be quicker than that ? 73's Paul Aronsen. Richard Jary wrote: = I beat that a few weeks back - 20 minutes for the new African World = Beacon via Rampisham. == But we'll let Paul claim his as the MW record :-) == Richard = == ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:46:09 +0300 From: Jari Lehtinen Subject: Re: Sv: [HCDX]: Quick QSL... At 07:36 27.4.2000 +1200, you wrote: = in his car with him,Arthur was busy logging the station as they =travelled.The Radio Inspector entered the house where the Pirate was =broadcasting from and immediatley pulled the plugs as Arthur handed the =Announcer the DX report who QSLed it on the spot by signing the report !! =What could be quicker than that ? 73's =Paul Aronsen. Reminds an occasion during EDXC meeting 1987 in Finland. One Finnish FM-DXer happened to catch Radio Milano International in the conference hotel, and immediately next person to him, Mr. Dario Monferini, QSL manager of RMI, wrote a verification. Jari Lehtinen Lahti Finland ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date sent: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:19:40 +0300 From: Per-Ole Stenman Subject: [HCDX]: Re: Quick QSL...Arthur At 07:36 27.4.2000 +1200, you wrote: = in his car with him,Arthur was busy logging the station as they =travelled.The Radio Inspector entered the house where the Pirate was =broadcasting from and immediatley pulled the plugs as Arthur handed the =Announcer the DX report who QSLed it on the spot by signing the report !! =What could be quicker than that ? 73's That was really a tough one! And I don't mean the quick QSL but the back ground. You are out to kill a radio station but still not too late for a QSL, unbeatable. Internet and e-mails have of course change the situation in a positive way. I have some 20-30 minutes answers, and once I even hit the v/s when he also was on the line, but in that case it was me who reacted fast on a QSL with "thank you.." note etc. Some amazing QSLs anyhow, a couple of QSLs from Korea /Japan which I managed to received the day before the QSLs were officially written in the home country. THanks to the quick stream passing the day zone in between. And I have also noticed that it does matter what day you send the report, if going to send it by e-mail. Weekends are bad time, actually Monday, Tuesday and Friday are the busiest time at the stations, so best choise is Wednesday and Thursday. This one I have also checked up with receptionists at US-stations. It is particularly the US-stations I am talking about here. 73s POS
HC-DX 05 Index [HCDX]: QSLing (history) From: (Patrick Martin) Date sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HCDX]: QSLing Hi All: There have beeb several discussions of late on QSLing, both pro and con. As many of you know, I have been QSLing for a long time. I remember as a kid, the number of QSLs was the excitement. Now at 51, and over 2600 and counting, something else has come out of the hobby. History! I was going through my Alberta MW QSLs today, after discussing CKRD-700, CKTA-1570 and others going to FM. I find a lot of QSLs from many stations that are not on MW anymore, also some that have just changed call letters. How many remember these? (1) CKRD-Red Deer on 850 kHz (2) CFGP-1050-Grande Prairie (3) CHQT on 1110 kHz (4) CHQR on 810 kHz (5) When CKTA-1570 was CFEZ (6) Remember CKXL, CFXX, CISS all call letters of the Calgary station (7) How about CKST-1070 (8) Or CKMG-1200 Those are some of the QSLs I have gotten throughout the years from Alberta alone. Yes, a lot of Canadian radio history there that probably many of the above stations don't even know about. Anyone else out there have any "history" QSLs ? 73s, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mickey Delmage Date sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:17:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [HCDX]: QSLing Patrick and the gang! Just recently CJOK 1230 Ft. McMurray went to FM. I had logged them several years ago but could not get a good copy for the past year to try and QSL them so....I dug up my tape of them from a Cooking Lake DXpedition in the 1980's, sent if off aking if they could QSL for the sake of my our historic valve of logging this AM station. Twelve days alet a large package came in the mail contianing the QSL, many stickers from the several eras of CJOK and a neck tie and BBQ Apron with the old 1230 CJOK logo. The v/s had a great chuckle over my "procrastination" for waiting 17 years to obtain a verie. He loved the tape and mentioned "CJOK is now at 93.3 FM, so the days of picking up AM skip from CJOK are over".... Yes not HCDX but history none the less. Enjoy, Mick Mickey Delmage ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "joe talbot" Subject: Re: [HCDX]: QSLing Date sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:43:06 MDT Hello Patrick and HCDX group: Before I getting going on the topic of QSLing. Yes, I rememember some long gone stations! I am not the same calibre of most MW DXers here on HCDX not even a MW Dxer perse, but I remember a few, especially from here in Alberta, CKXL (Calgary), CFGP (Grande Prairie), CHQT (Edmonton) and of course CKRD (Red Deer-700 then 850,now gone to FM), I have these 4 QSLed. Always, very nice to dig out the QSLs and have a look. I have had the pleasure of seeing some of Micky Delmage's and Nigel Pimblett's MW QSL's, sorry I missed the MW part of the hobby. Nigel has a QSL from a MW pirate in the Pacific Northwest, that I found very interesting, I really like Pirate stations, a MW would be assume! Many, a station sadly gone from MW and SW! Yes, I understand what you and what others in the group have said lately about QSLing! It sure has changed, I am not a real MW DXer. But, it appears from what I see, is that MW QSLing verses SW QSLing, SW QSLing has suffered more! Not to say MW QSL has not suffered, MW Dxer's would know that better than I would. In retrospect, I am so sorry that, I had that "there is no tomorrow attitude", when sending reception reports and receiving QSL's. I was greedy and selfish. I can remember 2-3 QSLs a day every day of the week! Rarely, considering to send a thank you back to the station for their reply, especially to the small local stations. The stations, I knew went out of their way, just to QSL my report! Here in North America, most of us don't understand the difficulties in Africa, Asia, etc, just to send a letter or make a phone call. It is not like here, in Africa and Asia it was a BIG deal for me to receive/send mail and call home! I remember the comments by a fellow HCDXer who had visited Radio Zanzibar, the poor fellow receiving the mail not being able to understand English, facing a mountain of reception reports and we keep sending more. And he doing his best to reply! Many of the stations are out in the "bush", they rely on overland transportation. I've seen 6 foot holes where roads once where, motorcycles could'nt even pass. Yes, these stations go out of their way to send us a QSL! Not passing judgement please, myself included, we have caused this problem of low QSL replies. Of course there are staff cuts, money problems, etc. I know this is going to hurt but, I'll say it regardless, personally, I think that the stations that are not replying, are just sick and tired of the demands and the expectation, that they owe us a QSL, rubbish, they owe us nothing! If I/we think because we send a report, enclose return postage and maybe a few souvenirs, they owe us a reply, that is nonsense!! For the most part stations do not ask for reception reports, rather recption reports are welcomed, out of courtesy! After a few months or years of receiving reception reports, why would the station, really care if they were getting heard anywhere outside there target area! The novelty and thrill of them being heard far away and abroad is long gone! They reply out of RESPECT and KINDNESS, to us, a respect and kindness we may have forgotten to offer when we sit down to write that report! A QSL should not be a guarantee, not something they owe us, but a kind reminder that someone at that station took the time to honor our request. A request important to to us in the hobby! I can't image how difficult it might be to read the same style and font of reception report day after day! Would I reply to my own report? The "heyday" of the 70's and 80's may be gone, I think we can turn it around somewhat by remembering that, they owe us nothing and try to put ourselves in their situation. Again, would I reply to my own report? One longtime Dxer I know, Edward Kusalik sends out a thank you after receiving his QSLs. Longtime Dxer and Cumbre DX QSL Editor George Maroti, suggested to me that instead of sending souvenirs with the report, send them as a thank you for a QSL received. I have been doing this lately, I can't say anything has changed yet, but, the proper and orderly thing to do. Thank you for considering my and other HCDXers comments on QSLing. 73's. Joe Talbot ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: (Patrick Martin) Date sent: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [HCDX]: QSLing That is really quite a QSL story. That is the secret, you never give up. CJOK would be a dandy QSL. I wish I could have heard them. 73s,Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------
HC-DX 06 Index [HCDX]: QSL?? for reports you never sent Date sent: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:02:55 -0400 From: Mark Mohrmann Subject: [HCDX]: QSL?? Greetings all from Northern Vermont: I beleive I have just broken the record for fastest reception of a QSL. I received an unsolicited e-mail from one Valdira Rada at Colombia Stereo (4895 kHz) thanking me for tuning in, wishing me well in my life and hoping that I continue to tune in to their station. Seeing as how I never sent them a reception report, I think the duration of time that I spent waiting for this QSL enters into the realm of negative numbers, depending on the day that I actually decide to send them a real reception report in the future. So as of today June 13, I received their verification in -2 days. Can anyone beat that :') Mark Mohrmann Coventry, Vt. USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Greg Baker Subject: Re: [HCDX]: QSL?? Date sent: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:35:14 GMT What did they do, coat the ink of the reception report with Thiotimoline? Next: reception reports from Radio Alpha Centauri. Greg Baker WB3EBO ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Guido Schotmans" Subject: RE: [HCDX]: QSL?? Date sent: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:49:21 +0200 = I beleive I have just broken the record for fastest reception of a QSL. = I received an unsolicited e-mail from one Valdira Rada at Colombia = Stereo (4895 kHz) thanking me for tuning in, wishing me well in my life = and hoping that I continue to tune in to their station. I have a similar case. A few weeks ago, I received a hard copy QSL card from Radio Netherlands for a real audio transmission on the 11th of March between 14 and 16 UTC. Transmitter site : RNW Audio Server, Amsterdam. But I didn't listen to them at that moment and I didn't send an e-mail or snail mail reception report... Guido.
HC-DX 07 Index [HCDX] to QSL or not to QSL / Radio Ecclesia From: Andy Sennitt Date sent: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:57:23 +0200 Subject: [HCDX] RE: QSLs for Radio Ecclesia Hi Everyone, I've just joined the list, and my first duty is to pass on a message on behalf of my colleagues at Radio Netherlands: We've already had requests for QSL's for the Radio Ecclesia transmissions via Radio Netherlands. Unfortunately, Radio Netherlands is not in a position to QSL any of the transmissions of other broadcasters who hire airtime from us. Quite simply, a proper QSL should include verification of programme details. As we only provide technical facilities for the other broadcasters, Radio Netherlands does not have those details. Reports should always be sent direct to the broadcasters concerned: they produce the programmes, not us. On the other hand, we are happy to verify reports of Radio Netherlands' own programmes over any of the shortwave sites we use. 73, Andy Sennitt Radio Netherlands _______________________________________________ From: Harald Kuhl Date sent: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:52:51 EDT Subject: [HCDX] to QSL or not to QSL = From: andys@euronet.nl (Andy Sennitt) = that mail to the station will be intercepted. They could argue that by = becoming a de facto international broadcaster, the station is in breach of = its licence. They could use foreign DXers' reception reports as evidence of = this. This is a striking point. On the other hand, as soon as they started using the internet for getting their programs out, they also started kind of an international service. But having a shortwave service off course is something different, especially in areas like Africa. It´s a fact that Radio Ecclesia will receive letters from abroad, asking for QSLs, no matter what we will discuss here. May be it´s bad for the station, may be it´s good, because it gives Radio Ecclesia an international recognition, which might make it harder for the Angolan government to shut it down. May be the latter is just wishful thinking, because they just don´t care. It´s fine that Radio Netherlands offers support to stations like Radio Ecclesia. I wish more international broadcasters would support freedom of information not only by producing their own programs, but also by providing airtime to suppressed stations. Btw: One good way to save Radio Ecclesia from getting too many letters from abroad would be a change in RN´s policy concerning QSLing such relayed programs. Just kidding;-) vy73 Harald _______________________________________________ Date sent: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:11:54 +0300 From: Per-Ole Stenman Subject: Re: [HCDX] Radio Ecclesia replied by e-mail Congratulations Hannu! It can never be forbidden to send any reports to radio stations, especially in these days with e-mails. It is always up to them how they react, but usually they are glad to have listerner's response (i.e if they really want to take care about their listerners and not either being solely a relay box like many AM US-stations today or having economical/organizational troubles like many foreign stations cutting down their operations). 73s Per-Ole Stenman, Jakobstad, Finland At 15:40 3.8.2000 +0300, you wrote: = =Hi DX-colleagues ! =I just received an e-mail QSL from Radio Eccelsia (Angola) via RN Flevo =15175 kHz. It took about 2 weeks after I sent them a report by snailmail. =The station v/s is Antonio Jaca. The e-mail address is: ecclesia@snet.co.ao. ==73's & Good DX from Finland ! ==Hannu Romppainen =Paltamo =Finland = _______________________________________________
HC-DX 08 Index [HCDX] Mexican MW DX From: Paul Ormandy Subject: Re: [HCDX] Re: Mexican MW DX Date sent: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:35:18 +1200 Hi all, I don't have any particular tip for QSLing Latins other than to reinforce the following which applies to all domestic stations: 1. Be polite 2. Include something like a photo of yourself/family/DX shack/postcard or a small souvenir like a tie-pin 3. Use US dollars (1 is usually sufficient) - don't bother with IRCs... 4. Be prepared to send a few follow-ups, the spirit of "mañana" is well and truly alive at Latin stations! 5. Check for changes in address and/or station personnel and re-send reports 6. Persistence and perseverance pays off! The above over-simplifies the process... Happy QSL hunting... 73s Paul = Getting QSLs from Latins, easily? I wish I knew!! Paul Ormandy in NZ = has had better luck than many of us here in the US. He has been getting = a fair number of E Mail replies too. Paul, can you shed any light on = this? = 73s, Patrick _______________________________________________ Date sent: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Moore Subject: Re: [HCDX] Re: Mexican MW DX Let me add a few more items to Paul Ormandy's list. 7. Always write in Spanish, or Portuguese in the case of Brazil. (Except, of course, for the few missionary stations like TGNA and TIFC where English will do.) 8. Include an already filled out ppc (prepared card) that the station simply has to sign and return to you. In almost all cases you will get more than that, but it helps to reenforce the idea of what you want - and if it is all they return, that's better than nothing. (BTW, you can make and print your own prepared cards on your computer/printer.) 9. Include either a self-addressed envelope or an address label. This way you can be sure your address in correct on the reply. I've always preferred address labels since then I usually get a station envelope with the station logo. Stations almost always use the label, and it makes their job of QSLing easier. Don Moore Radio: http://www.swl.net/patepluma _______________________________________________ From: (Patrick Martin) Date sent: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [HCDX] Re: Mexican MW DX Thanks Paul for your comments. Those are always good things to mention in reporting to all stations. 73s, Patrick http://community.webtv.net/BobAndPatrick _______________________________________________ From: Henrik Klemetz Subject: Re: [HCDX] Re: Mexican MW DX Date sent: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:43:44 +0200 In addition to Paul´s and Don´s advice, if you really need a verification, without a printed logo on a sheet of paper, you might also consider asking for one on the phone. Usually, no paper work is called for: just tell them what you have been hearing. If this rings a bell with them, they will certainly tell you. Although unrelated to Mexico, I would like to mention that an UNID Bolivian on 1380 kHz reported by a Norwegian DXer as "R Balbera de Color" (or something similar; I don´t have the magazine in front of me), was, just as I suspected, an operation calling itself R Bandera Tricolor. I had to phone R Mosoj Chaski in order to find the phone number for the station, and talking to the Stn Mgr, she had had no problem in confirming the Norwegian DXer´s reception. I asked them for a written statement, which they promised to send me so that I would be able to forward it to the Norwegian. This paper has not been forthcoming. Perhaps they considered a written statement a bit too compromising, especially for a station which was on the air without due permit. As the station is missing from the lists, I might add that they are (I don´t know if they still are; perhaps Rogildo Fontenele could confirm this) on Calle Honduras, entre Lanza y República, in Cochabamba, Bolivia, and that the private P O Box for Stn Mgr, Mrs. Gioconda Tapia, is Casilla de Correo 1436, in Cochabamba. The phone number is +591 4 530582 (offices), 523224 (studio). At least this was the case last year, when I investigated the matter. Probably most DXers will not try to get a phone-in QSL, but in case everything else fails, this is a way that works. Henrik Klemetz _______________________________________________
HC-DX 09 Index [HCDX] Important QSLs? & [HCDX] QSL compromise From: Stig Hartvig Nielsen Date sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:30:16 +0100 Subject: [HCDX] Important QSLs? [Double-click this line for list subscription options] Just a little humble note from here. While I am sure that most are pleased with the large amount of mail on this group (everyone are free to leave if they dont like it) - I think it is just A BIT too much with people reporting that they have received a QSL. I know that QSLs are becoming rare these days, but if everyone were to report that - hey today I have received a QSL card - then the amount of mail here would be too much, and thus spoiling the idea. I know of people (top DX'ers) who have have left this otherwise excellent group because of the amount of (to many people) irrelevant stuff. And that someone has received a QSL from China or if Patrick Martin has received yet another MW QSL on the westcoast of NAm... sorry folks, but my delete- button is getting a bit worn. Btw: With FULL respect to Patrick Martin and others for their QSL achievements !!! Perhaps an idea could be to report your QSLs once every month or so ?? Just my opinion. Best 73s Stig Hartvig Nielsen, Denmark _______________________________________________ From: (Patrick Martin) Date sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:01:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? QSL are very important in this day. Stations are getting harder to QSL. Most of the time when I post a QSL I get others writing me asking for more information. QSling in my humble opinion is more important than a lot of the stuff that is posted on the lists. QSLing used to be a vital part of this hobby. Are we going to start deciding what piece of DX info we wont include. So what if someone has to hit the deleate botton. I do the same thing a lot of the time. I would much rather do that that not have all postings included. Being basically a MW DXer I could care less about most International SW, but I am happy it is there for others to read. 73s, Patrick http://community.webtv.net/BobAndPatrick _______________________________________________ From: bjorn fransson Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? Date sent: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:13:20 [Double-click this line for list subscription options] Hi all, SHN and I have quarreled a lot about many things during the years, but this time I totally agree with him! So please omit QSL's like those he mentioned from your messages guys! It's quite different if you report having got a QSL from a special address or v/s, not mentioned before in the DX-press. With all respect etc 73 from Bjorn Fransson _______________________________________________ Subject: RE: [HCDX] Important QSLs? Date sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:00:45 -0800 From: Patrick Buckingham Might I suggest setting up a rule to automatically delete messages with QSL content? -----Original Message----- From: bjorn fransson Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? _______________________________________________ From: Pentti Lintujarvi Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? Date sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:12:12 +0200 [Double-click this line for list subscription options] Taking the risk of completely wearing out Stig's delete-button - and announcing a QSL I received recently... Radio Caiari, Porto Velho, 4785 kHz. Personal letter and post card. V/s Ronaldo Rocha, Diretor Executivo. The reason for this announcement is that Radio Caiari has been hard to QSL and I've not seen any QSL's reported lately... For those who collect QSL's to be informed of the possible start of periodically-QSL'ing stations' QSL'ing-period is quite important.... just my humble opinion. 73 de Pentti Lintujärvi Helsinki, Finland _______________________________________________ From: (Patrick Martin) Date sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:33:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [HCDX] Important QSLs? If QSLs are dropped from HCDX, what is next? DX Tips? Why even have a group. We are talking about QSLs, DX DX DX. It all goes together, This is really ridiculous. 73s, Patrick http://community.webtv.net/BobAndPatrick _______________________________________________ From: Dario Monferini Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? Date sent: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:46:03 -0000 [Double-click this line for list subscription options] Dear friends, I agree 100% with the opinion expressed by Stig and I have yet sent a personal message to Roberto Scaglione explaining why Radio Peking QSL in not related to DX, but just a normal news, we don't need to know extraterrestrial receptions, but just useful "dx" news, about mw news coming from USA & Canada, there is an e-group devoted to mw dxing so why some people send the same message two times? Do you think to become a celebrity if your name is seen many times with the same news? Good "real" dx's, 73's Dario. =From: "Stig Hartvig Nielsen" =hartvig@wmr.dk= =To: =hard-core-dx@kotalampi.com= =Subject: [HCDX] Important QSLs? =Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:30:16 +0100 _______________________________________________ From: (Patrick Martin) Date sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:32:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? The reason DXers post to several lists is everyone does not get all lists. If you post to several DX lists, then most DXers will see the posting. I still feel as many do, QSLing to a huge part of the DXing hobby and should be included with the postings of HCDX. Isn't the list for hard to hear DX? Well QSLing hard to hear DX is also just as important. There are many postings on HCDX that does not involve hard to hear DX, like much International SW. So if we are going to be picky, then there are other postings that should not be on HCDX. This DX hobby is for all DXers no matter if it is SW or MW, including QSLs. Since the origional QSL posting, I have received several e mails from DXers around the world that good forward to QSL postings. As Paul Ormandy said earlier, there is no ego involved here, just trying to help others who like to QSL stations. I also click the delete button most of the time, but so what. I would rather do that than miss one peace of valuable DX information. Please be considerate to others. Thanks you. 73s, Patrick _______________________________________________ From: (Patrick Martin) Date sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 01:17:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [HCDX] QSL compromise [Double-click this line for list subscription options] I totally agree with Chris. Since when do we decide what posting we want to post and when. If we post QSLs only once a week, then how about International SW schedules every other month and so on. What if some DXers miss the tips? I don't believe just veteran DXers do not want to read about QSLs. Many veteran DXers are also avid QSLers. Since the posting about QSLs, I have gotten many supportive e mails and people want to see the QSLs, DX, or whatever. Lets lighten up here. As Chris said, we don't want to run DXers away. This should be a hobby open to all. 73s, Patrick http://community.webtv.net/BobAndPatrick _______________________________________________ From: Glenn Hauser Date sent: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:54:29 Subject: [HCDX] QSL compromise [Double-click this line for list subscription options] News of reception is urgent. News of QSLing is an optional after-hobby and not urgent. I do not object to QSL info here, but would suggest as someone else did that it be accumulated over, say, a week`s period and then reported rather than each time one comes in. That would greatly reduce the number of individual messages to sort through for those of us who do not want to wait for the digest. 73, Glenn Hauser _______________________________________________ From: Paul Ormandy Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? Date sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:42:02 +1300 Hi all, I for one DO want to see details of QSLs published, particularly from domestic broadcasters and "black" verifiers... so saying, I would draw the line at QSLs from international broadcasters like R Australia, VOA etc... this is supposed to be Hard Core DX and I guess the previously mentioned and their kin aren't hard core for anyone on this list! The station might only be a local to Patrick Martin etc but it is often a 'hold-out' for me! And I have obtained many QSLs from following up information posted right here on Hard Core DX, kindly provided by a DXer willing to share his fortune with us. If we stop publishing the details of QSLs - simply because it isn't of interest to all, then apply that "logic" to all subjects, and we'd be getting no e-mails at all and Hey! we can even do away with our Delete buttons! I frequently share QSL info, not because I'm gloating - that is not my nature.. I'm hoping that by offering a tidbit of information someone else can benefit. Cheers, Paul = Hi all, = SHN and I have quarreled a lot about many things during the years, but this = time I totally agree with him! So please omit QSL's like those he mentioned = from your messages guys! It's quite different if you report having got a QSL = from a special address or v/s, not mentioned before in the DX-press. = With all respect etc = 73 from Bjorn Fransson = _______________________________________________ From: Karel Honzik Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? Date sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:05:12 +0100 [Double-click this line for list subscription options] =.......... I also click the delete button most of the time, = but so what. I would rather do that than miss one peace of valuable DX = information. Please be considerate to others. Thanks you. = = 73s, Patrick I do the same very often too, in fact daily. I agree to what Patrick writes - 100 %. GOOD DX, Karel Honzik the Czech Republic _______________________________________________ Date sent: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:23:41 +1300 From: Chris Mackerell Subject: Re: [HCDX] QSL compromise Glenn Hauser wrote: = = News of reception is urgent. News of QSLing is an optional after-hobby and = not urgent. I do not object to QSL info here, but would suggest as someone = else did that it be accumulated over, say, a week`s period and then reported = rather than each time one comes in. That would greatly reduce the number of = individual messages to sort through for those of us who do not want to wait = for the digest. 73, Glenn Hauser Sounds like a good idea to me, but for newcomers to the list it won't work because they won't know. The same applies to loggings in fact. I have no objection to QSL info on the list - most of what does get posted is good, useful information. =From what I can tell most "SWL" type stuff is posted by people who are new to the HCDX list. We should be gently encouraging those people towards the "real DX" rather than banning stuff from the list just because it doesn't interest the "hard core" DXers - where did we all start after all?? This is a hobby where we need to encourage more people, not drive them away. Thats my $0.02 worth anyway. 73s Chris _______________________________________________ Date sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:27:36 +0100 From: Martin Elbe Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? Hi, = If we stop publishing the details of QSLs - simply because it isn't of = interest to all, then apply that "logic" to all subjects, and we'd be = getting no e-mails at all and Hey! we can even do away with our Delete = buttons! Couldn't agree more. For me as a keen QSL-collector that are the most important infos on HCDX. Subscribing to a mailing list also means to receive things not interesting for everyone. So what? Times of the 300 bps acoustic coupler are history, so it doesn't cost anything to download this few additional postings. 73's Martin _______________________________________________ Date sent: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:34:15 +1300 From: Chris Mackerell Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? Hi All I agree totally with Pat. Consideration and the delete button are easy to apply. We need to encourage people not put them off. Being a mediumwave DXer in NZ who likes to try for North American DX I rely on the ability to look up the details of his US QSLs, even if I ever hear his loggings from NZ. People find the HCDX list via search engines - they don't always read the "rules". To those people who are complaining about the "QSL" problem I would ask "what was the first thing you posted to HCDX?" Cheers, Chris PS. And everyone - go back to your radios and stop complaining about HCDX!! If you want to complain about something comlpain about the rec.radio.shortave newsgroup....... Patrick Martin wrote: = = The reason DXers post to several lists is everyone does not get all = lists. If you post to several DX lists, then most DXers will see the = posting. I still feel as many do, QSLing to a huge part of the DXing _______________________________________________ From: Dmitri Mezin Subject: Re: [HCDX] QSL compromise Date sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:54:04 +0300 Hi all, Our DXing hobby is so diverse. Some people are hunting for, say, Indonesian/Chinese stations, while others consider their languages as double Greeks, preferring Latin Americans Spanish-speaking ones. Some people do seek for QSLs, while others record audio files and consider them as the best verifications ever. The comparison might be continued... This diversity is the motive power of our hobby. The day when all DXers become the same will be the last day of DXing on the Earth. So, let's respect each other and do our best to pospone this last day. The Delete button works well at most computers. If you consider the message invaluable for you, do erase it! But bear in mind that your neighbour (maybe a newcomer to the hobby?) might regard this QSL-message as the best message of the day. Once again, let's respect each other! Sincerely, Dmitri Mezin, Kazan, Russia _______________________________________________ From: Martin Schöch Date sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:37:54 +0100 Subject: [HCDX] Important QSLs - be more accurate with your logs ! Important QSLs - be more accurate with your logs ! This is Martin, the editor or the QSL Information Pages QIP. While you quarrel about about important questions (or was it about important qsls ?) I continue to collect data for my pages. HCDX is a good source, too. But in the end I'd prefer good and checked qsl-logs in the electronic or printed magazines for our hobby. Wonder why ? I'm edting the pages for 3 years now. The feedback is quite low. The amount visitors that contacted me about my pages is below 5%. But thats the same with other pages, too, as their webmasters told me. Whats makes me angry, is that some of the contributors are not very accurate with their qsl-logs. Look at the following 2 recent qsl-logs and answer two questions, please : What is the station's name and what is the P.O.Box of that station ? KCCJ IOWA CITY IA. 1630 kHz PPC QSL, 54d. SENT MINT STAMPS.V/s : TOM SUTER (Sales Mgr.) QTH : P.O.BOX 2118, IOWA CITY, IA.52244. (DXer C.ROOMS, UNITED KINGDOM) Play DX 1088 - November 11, 2000 1630 kHz IA, Iowa City, rec. QSL card in 10d. I had a e mail QSL in the past, but read they now have a card. A pretty much blank card on the back where the message is written, with a red and black letters on the front of the card. V/S: Tom Suter-Sales Manager KCJJ Radio. Address on card is: PO Box 2188, Iowa City, IA 52244-2118. (PM-OR) P.Martin-USA in HCDX - December 2000 Do you know the answer ? [Its KCJJ and 2118 after cross-ckecking other data.] But in this caes I'm glad, that both contributors used the same frequecy !! What I want to say, is, be more accurate ! And be complete. If you get an e-mail qsl, why do you wait for the next list member to ask you for it, why don't you give it within your original contribution ? The same applies to return postage, language, v/s etc. To me its totaly equal, if you first write the v/s and then the language or vice versa. What I want are complete and informative qsls logs that can really help others. The German language is not easy, but when I see, how many typing errors are included when some contributors of QSL logs simply try to retype the return address from the German envelope just received, I'm really said ! I can remove the errors in the German language, but what about names in Indonesia or Latin America ? I really hope you'll improve your logs and spelling ! Otherwise your logs might be useless to others. Sometimes it already helps to give the country the station was from, esp. for those stations from LA, or to give the city the station was from, for instance for all those stations called 'Hit-Radio' or 'City FM'. And important or not, your complete and accurate qsl-logs are welcome at the QSL Information Pages via http://www.clandestineradio.com/martin/ ! Martin Schöch / Merseburg _______________________________________________ From: Hans-Dieter Buschau Date sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:46:47 EST Subject: Re: [HCDX] Important QSLs? In einer eMail vom 07.12.00 00:06:29 MEZ, schreiben Sie: == From: (Paul Ormandy) I frequently share QSL info, not because I'm gloating - that is not my nature.. I'm hoping that by offering a tidbit of information someone else can benefit. == I fully agree! I also want this kind of info in HCDX. I can tell you there is always a number of messages in HCDX I (personally) am not interested in. But others are perhaps - and each computer has a "Delete" button. So it's up to everybody to decide what one reads or not. Best 73's Hans-Dieter Buschau Hildesheim, Germany _______________________________________________ From: bjorn fransson Date sent: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:18:19 Subject: [HCDX] QSL-reporting again DX-friends, After having read all your comments and thoughts about the QSL-"problem", I am prepared to change my earlier quite fixed opinion. I can see that there are many good points in reporting QSL's - if the reports are keen and serious and contain details about addresses to write to, possible v/s and so on. So, like we say in Sweden, although we say the opposite: "It's never too late to learn dogs (in my case the proberb could be used for bears, because Björn = bear) to sit". Thanks for the lesson, fellows! Keep the QSL-reports coming and I will use my delete button whenever I want. And, by the way, your help with addresses and other information is really important to me and other searches in this odd hobby of ours, "Martins" (both Elbe and Schöch). 73 from Björn Fransson, the island of Gotland, Sweden _______________________________________________ From: Andy Schmid Date sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:21:08 EST Subject: [HCDX] QSLs [Double-click this line for list subscription options] As to QSLs the following out of my point of view. Personally I highly appreciate QSL information. If there are QSL news, being completely uninteresting for me, I can utilize my delete button. Being the QSL manager of DSWCI, I'd ask you to send me your agreement to use your QSL news, posted in this list. I'll utilize them for the QSL-corner in our bulletin "Shortwave News" to help others with the information to get the wanted verification. One interesting QSL arrived today after 162 days: Oversized partly detailled letter from Radio Emisora Mallku from Uyuni / Bolivia. V/s was Erwin Freddy Mamani Machaca, who wrote some interesting details about the station. 73s from Bavaria Andy, Pennant Museum _______________________________________________ From: Vincent Stevens Date sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:34:25 -0000 Subject: [HCDX] re: Important QSLs I think this email sent to me from Jyrki proves that it is worthwhile to publish details of QSLs, even if it only benefits one person in the long run...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jyrki Hytönen Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: CJOB = Hi, = Thanks for publishing the CJOB v/s and e-mail address. Got from = Mike a nice reply to my 99 reports. This has been earlier a tough = one. I've sent several reports in vain. = Yours = Jyrki Hytonen - JHY - Kannus -Finland _______________________________________________ Date sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:30:19 -0800 (PST) From: Don Moore Subject: [HCDX] QSLs - better headers If you are reporting a single QSL received, how about putting the name of the station in the e-mail subject spot (instead of just "QSL" or some such), for example "WHO Iowa QSL". This way readers don't waste time opening messages about station QSLs that they are not interested in. Likewise for loggings. I find it a waste of time to open a message labeled "Log" to find a single logging that I am not interested in. Please put the station name in the subject header. ===== Don Moore Radio: http://donmoore.tripod.com =-------NEW URL _______________________________________________ From: Bjarne Mjelde Subject: SV: [HCDX] QSL compromise Date sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:35:15 +0100 [Double-click this line for list subscription options] My personal view is that if someone's delete key is worn out, then replace it! There is a lot of stuff on HCDX that doesn't appeal to me, but I will not be the one to judge about other people's preferences. If in the future I don't like what I read in HCDX, I will use the Unsubscribe option. Regards, Bjarne Mjelde P.O.Box 58 N-9980 Berlevåg, Norway ----- Opprinnelig melding ----- Fra: Patrick Martin Sendt: 7. desember 2000 10:17 Emne: Re: [HCDX] QSL compromise = I totally agree with Chris. Since when do we decide what posting we want = to post and when. If we post QSLs only once a week, then how about = International SW schedules every other month and so on. What if some _______________________________________________ From: Karel Honzik Date sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:48:23 +0100 Subject: [HCDX] Wanted and unwanted mails I read somewhere that each key on the average keyboard can hold out 1 million of hits. So if you delete 100 unwanted mails every day, your DELETE button will serve you for 27 years. I myself delete about a half of ca. 50-60 mails comming in every day. OK, I delete also something else, but not too much... :-) Excuse me for being a bit off-topic, next time I will bring some DX news or logs. I promise. GOOD DX, Karel Honzik the Czech Republic _______________________________________________